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	<title>Comments on: Why Doesn&#8217;t Flickr Do Video?</title>
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		<title>By: Daniel Nicolas</title>
		<link>http://applestooranges.com/blog/post/why-doesnt-flickr-do-video/comment-page-1/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Nicolas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 15:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I'm opposed to flickr having video. I'd rather have my photos and videos separate. So much of the "YouTube" experience revolves around the fact that it's a completely different crowd. While there are the stinkers in every crowd, I'd argue that Flickr is a more controlled environment with less room for people to trash the system.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But I think if anyone could pull off a social experience with video, it would be the flickr team. Flickr is a social experience and so far, no one, no one has pulled off anything worth using.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m opposed to flickr having video. I&#8217;d rather have my photos and videos separate. So much of the &#8220;YouTube&#8221; experience revolves around the fact that it&#8217;s a completely different crowd. While there are the stinkers in every crowd, I&#8217;d argue that Flickr is a more controlled environment with less room for people to trash the system.</p>
<p>But I think if anyone could pull off a social experience with video, it would be the flickr team. Flickr is a social experience and so far, no one, no one has pulled off anything worth using.</p>
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		<title>By: insider</title>
		<link>http://applestooranges.com/blog/post/why-doesnt-flickr-do-video/comment-page-1/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 15:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;as someone who works at a flickr video competitor: yes, flickr is already expanding into video. hopefully they will take too long and you'll want to use our service instead. :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as someone who works at a flickr video competitor: yes, flickr is already expanding into video. hopefully they will take too long and you&#8217;ll want to use our service instead. <img src='http://applestooranges.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Greg Cannon</title>
		<link>http://applestooranges.com/blog/post/why-doesnt-flickr-do-video/comment-page-1/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Cannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 15:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Flickr's content is also text. Wouldn't be the same without comments and notes.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flickr&#8217;s content is also text. Wouldn&#8217;t be the same without comments and notes.</p>
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		<title>By: Denis</title>
		<link>http://applestooranges.com/blog/post/why-doesnt-flickr-do-video/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Denis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 15:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Perhaps they will succumb to become FlickVid.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps they will succumb to become FlickVid.</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
		<link>http://applestooranges.com/blog/post/why-doesnt-flickr-do-video/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 15:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hynes&lt;/em&gt;: Exactly. It's pretty likely all the big players will. Good point about the iPod. Similar in concept just the reverse...I can view photos...now why not video? One thing we consumer are consistent about, and that's demanding more!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Argo&lt;/em&gt;: I agree, you brought up just about every cost/technology reason why they haven't or why lesser companies may sit around and say 'no'. But that's also the point of my post. That line of thinking is thinking about the business first and not about serving user needs and behaviors. (other than the photographers you mentioned :) ) Only Flickr really knows if its a good move or not for them, but in general the post is about companies thinking outside their own proverbial box so-to-speak.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Hynes</em>: Exactly. It&#8217;s pretty likely all the big players will. Good point about the iPod. Similar in concept just the reverse&#8230;I can view photos&#8230;now why not video? One thing we consumer are consistent about, and that&#8217;s demanding more!</p>
<p><em>Argo</em>: I agree, you brought up just about every cost/technology reason why they haven&#8217;t or why lesser companies may sit around and say &#8216;no&#8217;. But that&#8217;s also the point of my post. That line of thinking is thinking about the business first and not about serving user needs and behaviors. (other than the photographers you mentioned <img src='http://applestooranges.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) Only Flickr really knows if its a good move or not for them, but in general the post is about companies thinking outside their own proverbial box so-to-speak.</p>
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		<title>By: hynes</title>
		<link>http://applestooranges.com/blog/post/why-doesnt-flickr-do-video/comment-page-1/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>hynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 15:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I imagine Flickr, like Apple &amp; Google, are already looking into how to grow their brand. And if they're not, well they don't deserve to be in business.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The same thing could be said of the iPod. Who would have thought two years ago that Apple would be selling an iPod with video. The scenes too small. Who would pay for that? But they did it anyway because they saw the market heading that way. They morphed a "music-playing device" into a "music+photos playing device" to a "total media" device with music, photos, and video.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Great thoughts!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I imagine Flickr, like Apple &#038; Google, are already looking into how to grow their brand. And if they&#8217;re not, well they don&#8217;t deserve to be in business.</p>
<p>The same thing could be said of the iPod. Who would have thought two years ago that Apple would be selling an iPod with video. The scenes too small. Who would pay for that? But they did it anyway because they saw the market heading that way. They morphed a &#8220;music-playing device&#8221; into a &#8220;music+photos playing device&#8221; to a &#8220;total media&#8221; device with music, photos, and video.</p>
<p>Great thoughts!</p>
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		<title>By: argo</title>
		<link>http://applestooranges.com/blog/post/why-doesnt-flickr-do-video/comment-page-1/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>argo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 15:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It's a quite reasonable request. Though from my point of view, it's like mixing apples with oranges. Both photos and videos are media, people create them, why not have them on the same site?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Well, the technology to handle each is different. A photo (usually a jpg) gets downloaded to your cache. Usually video sites stream the content, don't let you download it. Also, with photos, it's a bit easier to manipulate them: create thumbnails, different sizes, reduce quality, rotate, crop, etc. It's a bit more limited what you can do with video edition online.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, while photos are reduced to 3 main types: png, jpg, gif (and i think flickr lets you upload jpg and gif only, right?), while video can be generated in so many different formats: avi, mov, divx, wmv, mp4, mpeg, etc. And I'm not sure, but I guess some cameras might generate their own type of video, or maybe their own version of a format.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Though they might have the infrastructure, you have to consider that the bandwith increase would be enourmous. A really big photo can be like what? 1, 2 megas? make it bigger, but flickr resizes it, and displays by default a smaller version (and gives you the option to see all sizes). So, the default size of a photo is what? 300kb? Video is usually a lot bigger. An if you'd like to share it, or keep in flickr, you'd like to keep its quality right? if flickr lets you upload, but to stream it, it gets converted, compressed, and loses quality, you wouldn't like that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, keep into account the way they handle content. They ask you to tag your photos. Tagging an image is easy, you can describe it with words. Videos, for being a sequence of images, get harder to tag, and less precise. While you could tag a photo as "green" or "beautiful", refering to the main subject of it, with a video gets much difficult: "green", but where (when actually, where in the timeline).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Another thing, which I love: the flickr api. What if suddenly they mixed the photo content with videos, wouldn't the api break? you have an application that gets your content and display it in a certain way (say in flash), then suddenly a video comes, your app. can't handle that. Either they'd give tools to filter between videos and photos, or the developers using the api would need to update the code.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My personal opinion is that there's also more people creating good quality photos than there's people creating good quality video. Also, while all photo cameras take photos, not all of them take video. Also, not everybody is sharing photos with the family or friends, There's flickr users like artists or fashion photographers who just don't care about video. My point is, while in flickr everybody is interested in photography, not everybody is interesting in video. So it's not a matter of just keep adding services if they are not getting used completelly.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They probably have the infrastructure, but I'd say they shouldn't mix photos with video. Why not just make a sister site that has the same concept of flickr, but handles video only? That's be much better, and probably at some point yahoo could do it, or buy some of the services that are getting popular in that area.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a quite reasonable request. Though from my point of view, it&#8217;s like mixing apples with oranges. Both photos and videos are media, people create them, why not have them on the same site?</p>
<p>Well, the technology to handle each is different. A photo (usually a jpg) gets downloaded to your cache. Usually video sites stream the content, don&#8217;t let you download it. Also, with photos, it&#8217;s a bit easier to manipulate them: create thumbnails, different sizes, reduce quality, rotate, crop, etc. It&#8217;s a bit more limited what you can do with video edition online.</p>
<p>Also, while photos are reduced to 3 main types: png, jpg, gif (and i think flickr lets you upload jpg and gif only, right?), while video can be generated in so many different formats: avi, mov, divx, wmv, mp4, mpeg, etc. And I&#8217;m not sure, but I guess some cameras might generate their own type of video, or maybe their own version of a format.</p>
<p>Though they might have the infrastructure, you have to consider that the bandwith increase would be enourmous. A really big photo can be like what? 1, 2 megas? make it bigger, but flickr resizes it, and displays by default a smaller version (and gives you the option to see all sizes). So, the default size of a photo is what? 300kb? Video is usually a lot bigger. An if you&#8217;d like to share it, or keep in flickr, you&#8217;d like to keep its quality right? if flickr lets you upload, but to stream it, it gets converted, compressed, and loses quality, you wouldn&#8217;t like that.</p>
<p>Also, keep into account the way they handle content. They ask you to tag your photos. Tagging an image is easy, you can describe it with words. Videos, for being a sequence of images, get harder to tag, and less precise. While you could tag a photo as &#8220;green&#8221; or &#8220;beautiful&#8221;, refering to the main subject of it, with a video gets much difficult: &#8220;green&#8221;, but where (when actually, where in the timeline).</p>
<p>Another thing, which I love: the flickr api. What if suddenly they mixed the photo content with videos, wouldn&#8217;t the api break? you have an application that gets your content and display it in a certain way (say in flash), then suddenly a video comes, your app. can&#8217;t handle that. Either they&#8217;d give tools to filter between videos and photos, or the developers using the api would need to update the code.</p>
<p>My personal opinion is that there&#8217;s also more people creating good quality photos than there&#8217;s people creating good quality video. Also, while all photo cameras take photos, not all of them take video. Also, not everybody is sharing photos with the family or friends, There&#8217;s flickr users like artists or fashion photographers who just don&#8217;t care about video. My point is, while in flickr everybody is interested in photography, not everybody is interesting in video. So it&#8217;s not a matter of just keep adding services if they are not getting used completelly.</p>
<p>They probably have the infrastructure, but I&#8217;d say they shouldn&#8217;t mix photos with video. Why not just make a sister site that has the same concept of flickr, but handles video only? That&#8217;s be much better, and probably at some point yahoo could do it, or buy some of the services that are getting popular in that area.</p>
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		<title>By: Jameson Hsu</title>
		<link>http://applestooranges.com/blog/post/why-doesnt-flickr-do-video/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Jameson Hsu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 15:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;They actually may be getting into the video arena. Check out the last clip in this CNET article.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://news.com.com/Shedding+light+on+Flickr/2100-1025_3-5997943.html?tag=st.txt.caro&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They actually may be getting into the video arena. Check out the last clip in this CNET article.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.com.com/Shedding+light+on+Flickr/2100-1025_3-5997943.html?tag=st.txt.caro" rel="nofollow">http://news.com.com/Shedding+light+on+Flickr/2100-1025_3-5997943.html?tag=st.txt.caro</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://applestooranges.com/blog/post/why-doesnt-flickr-do-video/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 15:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;An interesting point, however I fall on the "it's a photo sharing site, not a digital-media sharing site" side of the argument. And I guess if Flickr continues to just be a photo-sharing site, then there's another market for someone (perhaps Yahoo!?) to branch out in.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting point, however I fall on the &#8220;it&#8217;s a photo sharing site, not a digital-media sharing site&#8221; side of the argument. And I guess if Flickr continues to just be a photo-sharing site, then there&#8217;s another market for someone (perhaps Yahoo!?) to branch out in.</p>
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		<title>By: Damian</title>
		<link>http://applestooranges.com/blog/post/why-doesnt-flickr-do-video/comment-page-1/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Damian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 15:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great Article... You make a valid point, one that I didn't think of. However they can offer a fairly controlled environment with pictures. At least to some extent.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If they offer video hosting/posting they might have people using it for VLOGing and other uses. Not sure if that is a bad thing, but I could see some problems.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On the flip side, if they did host videos I would surely use it a decent amount.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Article&#8230; You make a valid point, one that I didn&#8217;t think of. However they can offer a fairly controlled environment with pictures. At least to some extent.</p>
<p>If they offer video hosting/posting they might have people using it for VLOGing and other uses. Not sure if that is a bad thing, but I could see some problems.</p>
<p>On the flip side, if they did host videos I would surely use it a decent amount.</p>
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